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We have tried to post a fair representation of the comments we've received. We haven't posted all of them, and you will find some on this page that are less than glowing. Thanks to everyone who wrote; your encouraging words are much appreciated, and the criticisms have been helpful. The "spitting mad" emails remind us that we have a long way to go.
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January 23, 2015- Your case studies about horse purchases and how to tell you are dealing with a horse trader are amazing and wonderful. I just wish you could have outed, by name, the trader who sold the author the gaited mare (Jade's Story) with all the problems. Name them! Out them! Bust them!
I found your site when it was featured on HorseNation. Wonderful resource. I think that information like this is just invaluable. Riding and keeping horses is such a hard avocation sometimes, with all the ways that it can just go to hell financially, healthwise, and safety of riders-wise, and it is very difficult for amateurs to have enough information not to get suckered, and really, that's the last thing we need. Your site is so accessible, candid, and non-angry, it strikes really a great and fair-minded tone. This is really valuable information, organized in a very usable way. Well done.
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January 23, 2015- I didn't know what to expect, I came across your site via Facebook. I write a monthly newsletter for my local saddle club and since I am relatively new to the equine community this was very educational and I believe that it is information that should be shared.
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January 24, 2015- Great site with so much helpful information.
A must read for anyone looking to purchase a horse.
Thank you.
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September 22, 2014-Believe it or not, I found you on a Texas horse trader website who has ads for his horses on equinenow.com. He had a link to your Buyer Etiquette and Responsibility page and from that link I read your entire website. THANK YOU for putting this all together. I sent it on to my friend and horse mentor because I feel the information and stories that you have on your site are so powerful.
I met and worked with a horse trader this year for the first time and boy it was interesting, to say the least. I was helping a friend out and we got profoundly lucky. Now I am looking for a horse for my husband and I am grateful to have found your site. I don't think you can ever be too prepared no matter what your experience level.
Thank you thank you!!!
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July 17, 2014- As I'm somewhat new to horses, this site has been an eye opener. I expect people to be honest and forthcoming, I know our trainer is. This site has been helpful, and makes me look at sales ads with skepticism.
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July 11, 2014- This is a great site. I'm selling my mare, or maybe not selling my mare - I can't make up my mind. I had a family come look at her for their 10 year-old daughter. I honestly am not sure whether she would be a good match for them or not, so I sent them this link! It was embedded in an article about buying a beginner horse and why that often fails.
I have been stung by horse traders, but not badly, in the the past. I wish I had had this to refer to.
Thank you very much for the information. I printed out the articles I think will help the most and intend to keep them as a reference.
Personally I think it should be handed to the buyer along with the bill of sale!! :D
Keep up the good work!!
September 22, 2014-Believe it or not, I found you on a Texas horse trader website who has ads for his horses on equinenow.com. He had a link to your Buyer Etiquette and Responsibility page and from that link I read your entire website. THANK YOU for putting this all together. I sent it on to my friend and horse mentor because I feel the information and stories that you have on your site are so powerful.
I met and worked with a horse trader this year for the first time and boy it was interesting, to say the least. I was helping a friend out and we got profoundly lucky. Now I am looking for a horse for my husband and I am grateful to have found your site. I don't think you can ever be too prepared no matter what your experience level.
Thank you thank you!!!
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July 17, 2014- As I'm somewhat new to horses, this site has been an eye opener. I expect people to be honest and forthcoming, I know our trainer is. This site has been helpful, and makes me look at sales ads with skepticism.
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July 11, 2014- This is a great site. I'm selling my mare, or maybe not selling my mare - I can't make up my mind. I had a family come look at her for their 10 year-old daughter. I honestly am not sure whether she would be a good match for them or not, so I sent them this link! It was embedded in an article about buying a beginner horse and why that often fails.
I have been stung by horse traders, but not badly, in the the past. I wish I had had this to refer to.
Thank you very much for the information. I printed out the articles I think will help the most and intend to keep them as a reference.
Personally I think it should be handed to the buyer along with the bill of sale!! :D
Keep up the good work!!
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July 9, 2014- I saw an article from HTT posted on Facebook and after reading it I spent the rest of the day going through this entire website! I really found this site to be helpful. I wish I would have read this information years ago when I started buying horses. Would have saved me some heartache and medical bills. Thank you for keeping up this site!
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July 9, 2014- This has happened to me and describes many experiences in my life!! Liked that you included a buy/sell blank contract, may need it in a few days. The sad thing is even when you get scared (accidents) you really want to keep trying...and there are lots of people who don't care about that, just $.
Unfortunately, it seems like the era of trials is over.
Please add extra info. about speaking with private sellers, not just the dealer-types.
Thanks!
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July 7, 2014- I loved all the advice. I'm going to share with friends!
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May 29, 2014- The entire site was great. I really enjoyed "Buyer Etiquette and Responsibility". It's in the interest of our own lives to make sure we've gathered enough information about the animal we are purchasing. I have been a victim of impulse buying from a dishonest horse trader. I have myself to blame. Thankfully, our horses are keepers. One is lame. She's a great pet and is able to be ridden lightly. Another one is really too high spirited for an older woman. I didn't know my limitations when I purchased her. Though now, enough time has lapsed, and with a whole lot of groundwork and coaching from more experienced horsemen, she's safe enough for me to ride almost anywhere. Thanks for taking the time to put this site together.
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May 12, 2014- I just read Jade's Story. Thank you, Jade, for doing the right thing by Ebony. I felt every bit of your pain and anger while reading your details, and her's.
She did die with dignity, surrounded by love and wearing pink. You did give her the last act of kindness. I think animals know who they're safe with, and she knew this about you.
This really educated me, thanks for sharing.
May 12, 2014- I just read Jade's Story. Thank you, Jade, for doing the right thing by Ebony. I felt every bit of your pain and anger while reading your details, and her's.
She did die with dignity, surrounded by love and wearing pink. You did give her the last act of kindness. I think animals know who they're safe with, and she knew this about you.
This really educated me, thanks for sharing.
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April 21, 2014- I was looking for signs of a drugged horse and your site proved helpful. I wish it included pictures of the drooped lip and such, but other that that, your site provided helpful information that I will be back soon to read more on. Thank you.
Response from HTT: Thank you for writing, and for the suggestion. We did think about trying to include example photos of drugged horses, but since it's just the three of us, we have to use only photos we've taken or have permission to use. I talked to one of my own equine vets when we were creating that page and he suggested we shouldn't use photos. He explained that some horses look drugged when they are not (and I do know that; I had a horse years ago that looked asleep all the time!). He said it can be VERY hard for a non-vet to determine for sure whether a horse has been drugged and photographs might be misleading.
I know I'll never buy another horse without a pre-purchase exam from a vet unless I personally know and trust the seller. I'm glad you found the site helpful, and hope you find a healthy, safe horse soon!
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April 1, 2014- The stories on your site are fascinating and unnerving. I am buying 2 horses from a family friend and I've been looking at other horses online. I guess I'm naive, it didn't occur to me that people would be so dishonest. Thank you for the eye-opener! You've saved me from some huge mistakes.
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March 1, 2014- Yes, your site was very helpful. I was aware of a few of the tips mentioned, like possible drugging and owner rides first, but that was about the extent of it. I really appreciate knowing the lies and red flags, and the tips and sites for researching a horse trader. I also liked the Buyer Etiquette and Responsibility section and hope to glean enough to appear like a knowledgeable, responsible horse owner. The check list of questions is invaluable and I will put it to good use. I so appreciate the information you have shared. Going to do some "window shopping" for a trail horse next week. Not sure if I will buy, but feel definitely well-armed from the information on your site and will be happy to pass on any results. Many thanks.
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December 22, 2013- I've been through every horse trader trick and scam in the book. Thanks for helping me through it all the way with this site. I still own 3 htt horses out of maybe 10. These three turned out fine after therapy, special training, vet care, and farrier work.
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October 3, 2013- GREAT site!!! So informative and a true reality check for any horse buyer.
Keep up the good work for horses and humans. Many thanks.
p.s. The "fun" section is delightful. ;o)
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August 25, 2013- This site is interesting and helpful. My horse was sold from trader to trader and passported at 13 years, but after having her teeth checked, the dentist advised she was probably a good few years older.!!
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August 14, 2013- Hello. I just found your site. It is a great way of helping people. I have an idea for you. What about HORSE TRAINER TRICKS? A few weeks ago, I brought home a horse I had at the trainer's to break. When I got him home, a few day later he was not as quiet as he was when I first got him, and he did not know any riding cues, not even a stopping cue. I believe the trainer drugged him before I picked him up. I took him to another trainer, who believes the horse was drugged. Anyways, all that I have read and seen on your site also may be applied to horse trainers. I paid this trainer $1500 for 60 days. He took me to the cleaners, and when I got him back, the horse was underweight by at least 250 lbs.
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August 9, 2013- I found a link to your site when I was looking at some horses for sale posted by a nearby ranch. I found the information here very interesting and useful-all of it. I have forwarded it to my aunt as well, who is helping me look for a horse. Thank you for taking the time to put this together.
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July 25, 2013- Currently looking for a horse to buy and it opened my eyes completely! I have always been so trusting of people and found myself saying quite a bit..."well, he's so nice and friendly," or "They are personable people." I love your site and think you have the best intentions in mind. Keep up the good work and keep updating with more stories. Love the testimonials!!! Hope I'm able to find that one perfect horse soon for my family and I!!! Here's hoping!
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June 13, 2013- Thank you for making this website!! I know many horse traders like the ones you speak of. It is time to take a stand in my area. There are many many horse trader/scammers here. Craig's list is their favorite site, as you know. I am posting a link to your website every day on my local CL.
The horse traders hate it : )
Thank you so very much !
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June 10, 2013- Thank you so much for this information. I cannot tell you how many times on both sides, as the buyer and seller, I have seen some of these. Can you add some more to your list of "not to dos?"
I am mainly into miniature horses-some rescued out of bad situations. A lot are sold for "small children" to learn to ride.
Minis can pull a lot of weight and are great for pulling carts if they are properly trained.
They are not meant to carry a lot of weight. Maybe the larger ones can carry a 40 lbs child, but generally by the time a child reaches this weight the child has outgrown the mini and is ready for a pony.
Another one is people sell the little studs because they are just so friendly and even a child can lead them around. Granted, there may be that rare one or two, but of the many minis studs that have come to me, it's because they were cute as colts and hit the hormone stage about 14 months. Pound for pound,as studs, most have more attitude for their size than most large horses and are dangerous for children. The owners are selling them because they don't want to pay the cost of getting them gelded.
Minis also come with a lot of issues regarding their mouths, parrot (overbite) and underbites and very few people float them. This is generally the first thing we have checked.
Before you breed minis just for the fun of the experience, buy a young one. There are too many unwanted ones around and they end up being neglected or slaughtered.
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June 3, 2013- I enjoyed your website. I'll make a point of directing customers to it. As a farrier and trainer, I often get calls to "fix" the problems unwitting folks purchase. Often, they are tragically unfixable. I often get angry at the people who sold these horses to my customers. It is a heart breaking and expensive lesson for them to learn.
However, you also may want to include the category of the unknowledgable owner who honestly doesn't think there is anything physically wrong with their three-legged lame horse they are selling. I find this is more often the category of people selling horses on the market today rather than a "horse trader".
All the same, it still reinforces your advice to the purchaser. I also advise purchasers to NEVER catch, saddle, or initially ride the horse. Have the owner do everything and witness it. IF you are comfortable with what you see, then ride the horse. I can tell you dangerous horror stories where even experienced equestrians were hurt or nearly so by not following this advice. Even an average horse owner will lie to get rid of a fractious animal.
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February 7, 2013- The red flags are good tips, this entire site is one that I would show
someone who's in the market to buy a new horse just to keep things fresh
in their mind. The horror stories are also a really good read.
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February 4, 2013- Great site. Thank you so much. I found the entire site helpful and full
of great information. I am planning to purchase a horse this spring
after many years without one and have no doubt your site will prove
invaluable to me in my search. Thank you again.
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January 28, 2013- I LOVE your site and feel that it is just what innocent horse buying people need! (As I once was, and you posted my story..."Dear Mr. Horse Trader").
I've come back to the site a few times lately. It had been a while and I've seen a few new things here and there and still have a little more digging to do! I've re-read some stories, and I like the "Red Flags" and appreciated "Signs of Drugging" very much. (Really, I like the entire site).
I've got a good friend that is thinking about getting another horse, and since they are not experienced horse people, I have warned them about traders and offered what help I can give, and also told them they NEED to check out your site first before they do anything! I am going to "Share" your site on facebook so I make sure they as well as others can find it. (I think I saw a way to do the "share" thing) but if not, I will do it one way or another!
Thanks so much for putting this information out there for everyone!
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January 26, 2013- I used to have your site in my favorites, then I deleted it on accident. I am glad you have the buyer ettiquette on your page. We buy/pick up many horses that are in need of home, care, or training and "rehab" them with vets, trainers and a lot of sadde and ground time. I try very hard not to sell to "traders" that have bad reputations and ask many questions about riders abilities. I won't sell my horses to those who are not aware of the huge financial commitment of the animal and I use a trainer for evaluation prior to the sale. Thank you for your site, I would like to post a link from our website with your permission when we set it up this month.
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January 14, 2013- Thanks for keeping your site up and going. It is very informative.
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December 29, 2012- Your right there are a lot of bad people out there, but not all people that are horse traders are bad there are good & bad in all, he or she may be making a profit off a horse he or she is selling, but any business man has that right whether he is selling a horse, car or gallon of milk you may be a victom of a horse trader, but you also can be a victom of a car sales person, or even a Walmart manager, why do people lump certain folks into certain categories? YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF ALL BUSINESS TRANSACTION NO MATTER WHAT YOU ARE PURCHASING.
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December 6, 2012- Thank you for the great information on your site. Wish I had seen it before I got scammed. Thanks much!
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October 16, 2012- I'm laughing so hard at your "For Fun" page that I can't see to focus and keep reading- RFLMAO!!!!!!!! Oh, you have the best thing since sliced bread, your website is WONDERFUL!! What a breath of fresh air. Thanks for exposing a much needed nightmare. Back to the For Fun page, OMG I haven't laughed like this in years and years! THANK YOU!! Your site is PERFECT, it is fantastic!!!! I stumbled on it via Google, searching the words "horse trader" which is how I found you. I hoped you would be on FB too, and was so happy you are spreading the word there. Your site is super helpful for me in so many ways. I still have lots more articles to read, but so far I've not only felt many of my own nightmare experiences validated by some of your articles, I'm learning a great deal as well. I'm a diehard fan, you can count on that!
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September 16, 2012- Wish I had read this info before I bought a horse last year. Really important and I will be sharing.
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September 6, 2012- I found your Facebook page. I shared it and encouraged others to share........Great site, more people need to know about the shady dishonest people. Thank You.
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August 25, 2012- Great website. I think that probably 75% of people with horses know these traders. It's like I tell rookies - the term "horse trader" has a bad connotation for a reason.
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August 22, 2012- It is all much more helpful than I had originally assumed when I first started reading. I appreciate how much time and effort was put into this. Currently my aunt is looking for a horse and this is helpful for her and the others who are helping her search.
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August 12, 2012- I love your site!!! And I would like to share my story with you a well. I'm not sure where I post it though. Please let me know where to post. And good luck with all you do :)
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August 7, 2012- I liked all the pages, I feel this site has lots to offer and is extremely helpful. People need to know this stuff. Thank you so much. We have a rescue and I am sharing this site with all of our members. I thought the info on the rescue page was spot on on how to tell if you are dealing with a con and how to tell a hoarder from a true rescue. The other info was good as well and I think the more scenarios we can give folks to use what I call "thought joggers" or are thought provoking, the better. I love it when someone comes in a bit suspicious. I don't like that they had a bad experience or know someone who has but it means they are being mindful of a very big decision they are about to commit to. We always try to provide a complete history of an available horse including pictures. It is in everyone's best interest, especially the horse. I would like to add this link to our site.
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July 28, 2012- I'd touched on this site quite a while back but today had time to research it and read much more. I shared it with my mule and donkey groups, as this happens with longer earred equines as often as with horses. Thanks for doing this, it will help educate perspective buyers of all ear length.
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July 24, 2012- I especially enjoyed the tips & how to tell if someone has drugged a horse. Thank you sooo much for this website!!! I'm telling all of my horse savvy friends about it!!!!
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July 20, 2012- From your site I've learned that I'm the #1 poster child for 'senior' victim for a horse trader. All the traits you've listed fit me to a tee----Owned a horse years ago and rode competitively---want to recapture some of those glory days----I'm very trusting and believe what people tell me----I'm won over easily by a friendly personality----WOW !!!! Need I say more? I intend to read everything your site has published and feel my 'reading between the lines' on the many ads I'm looking at will change drastically. Thank you so much for furnishing this information to the uneducated public and for your attempt to protect naive older riders (or purchasers of horses for their grandchildren) from these unscrupulous horsetraders. God bless.
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July 20, 2012- Just found your website post on Craigslist. Spent the last hour reading over great reminders of what to look for and pay attention to when thinking about finding a good horse friend. I'm considering getting back to horses after a long hiatus. Maybe should lease or split board and get my feet re-wet. It is all helpful and appreciated. Also, thanks for the "For Fun". I am not sure I would trust an ad that had poor spelling. (:
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July 19, 2012- I am so glad someone has gone thru what my husband and I went thru...It helps not feeling so stupid...
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July 19, 2012- I had no idea what to expect here. I am impressed with the information.
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July 18, 2012- Very well written. It is about time that the horse traders found out that we can band together to help each other spot a trader.
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June 15, 2012- Very, very helpful! The stories help a lot because they show the red flags in action. The list of red flags is helpful but actually seeing how a deal like this happens is extra helpful. Thank you!
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June 6, 2012- I like the pointers on what to look for when purchasing a horse. Also advice on questions to ask helps a lot. Great Site!!
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June 4, 2012-I didn't think this would really be about horses but what a pleasant surprise! And a necessary site.Have you thought of teaming up with the stolen horse group? More eyes looking at and reporting on the underside.
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May 29, 2012- The content of your site is wonderful! Things I wish I had known before I proceeded to make a series of not-so-good horse purchases from crooked horse traders. My dad now has the following joke: How do you know when a horse trader is lying? His mouth is moving. Thank you for helping us unwary horse shoppers, and keep the good info coming!
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May 17, 2012- Very illuminating! We have been very lucky buying horses... In my search for my husband's horse we saw several that were drugged and/or exhausted and very nice. He didn't believe me at first that people would do that (drug horses). As he's gotten to know more about horses he has "seen the light."
Thanks for all you have done The stories were great. In all you have a very well thought out website; a great reference for those new to horses, or horse buying.
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May 4, 2012- Just wanted to let you know I LOVE this website! I was a horse trader until I recently got out of the Marine Corps, moved and had to board my horse instead of keeping her at my house where I had room for more. I would go to the local auction twice a month and write down what everyone bought and what they paid. I would then check the local Craigslist to see what was online the next week, and it was shocking! So many lies and misrepresented horses. I even emailed a few asking questions I knew they would lie about like where the horse came from and how long they had it, and they always did. I always told my buyers in the first email (if not the ad itself) that the horse came from auction and I never had an issue with it. I don't see why people feel the need to lie about it. Anyhow, thank you for making this website! Many of my buyers trusted only my word, I would hate to think of them going to a horse trader and getting scammed. Keep up the great work!
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May 4, 2012- I have liked what I have seen of your website so far. There are lots of bad horse traders, but there are also lots of crooked sellers out there who are not "traders", that will sell their spoiled horses to anyone -- trader or not! I hope to be able to explore it further and find the stories very interesting.
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May 2, 2012- Very impressed with this-great information presented very well.We need this site to be listed EVERYWHERE!
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April 5, 2012- Just discovered this site & what a wonderful & helpful site it is! Anyone buying a horse should be required to read the stories on this site before looking for a horse to buy.
Please, keep this site going!
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March 26, 2012- I came across your site when I Googled the help I needed. Your website is very useful about the things to think about when buying a horse, especially when you do not know the buyer.
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March 26, 2012- Great site, definitely a subject that buyers need to be educated on!
I am by your classifications a horse trader. Though I have never bought a horse from a sale, and never will, I do buy a good many horse from individuals with the intention of re-selling them. However, I am very selective about the horses I do buy, and also put months of training and evaluation on them myself, before offering them for sale. I never misrepresent a horse, my reputation means everything to me, as does the future of the horses I sell.
I am glad you touched on the subject of a buyer's responsibilities to not only a seller, but also the horse they purchase. I have seen many really great horses ruined by people who did not put in the effort to continue their education, and continue to learn. I recommend that everyone take lessons, go to seminars and expos, read books, watch training videos (from reputable trainers). Even with 20 years horse experience, I still take lessons, and am constantly learning better ways to do things, and think that it should be stressed to new horse owners how important that is. It is unfortunate to see more experienced riders and trainers continuing their training than "green" horse owners. People must realize that making the decision to buy a horse, is in turn making the decision to enter into a partnership... you must be willing to do your part, which extends to more than just caring for a horse. Horses are highly emotional, social creatures, and crave a competent, trustworthy leader, whom they can trust to have their best interests in mind. It would be my pleasure to add your site to my "links" page on my website if that would be okay. Thank you for reading, and keep up the good work.
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March 5, 2012- I have just read your Buyer Etiquette and Responsibility, as well as most of the other pages, very well written! You need to send this as an article submission to all the horse magazines. The word needs to get out, there is work involved in the buying and selling process. Actually, you should pick a magazine that is a highly read, multi-breed/discipline, and start a "Dear Abby" type monthly column. The sad thing is, this should be all common sense. The problem is, all common sense has been taught out of the American people. Thanks for starting your "trader tricks" website. I hope that it gets a lot of hits.
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February 28, 2012- Nice job!! I have owned horses my entire life and I'll be darned if someone didn’t “get” me …..she was young ..had a 2 yr old that she put up on this pony. Bring pony home..next morning it almost killed me! Horse traders are like disease..they just figure out a new way to beat out the combats!
I hope your site helps some of the newbies excited about the price of a cheap horse!
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February 19, 2012- I thought your website was very useful and hope that you continue to have it available. There are too many ignorant first time horse owners out there being taken advantage of by horse traders who are only out for the sale. I have a lot to say about proper horse ownership as I've seen what happens when people don't do their homework. I am
a senior citizen and find that most of what is needed is common sense. Unfortunately, the people who want horses are usually lacking that most primary necessity. I hope you can keep getting the word out as you are doing something very valuable. You could very well be saving lives, human and animal. Good luck.
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February 21, 2012- Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been around horses all my life, all 46 years. In the past four years our family has been through tough times. We lost our farm three years ago, I only kept two out of seven horses. Anyway... I have been looking for a nice AQHA horse for our nine year old son. I cannot believe the scams!!!!! One lady has a horse on the website where I saw your ad. She offered an AQHA lease and then changed her mind, because someone else had cash, after my son rode and loved the horse and now she is calling me every day wanting to drop the horse off. WHAT, no thanks I still can't figure out what she is trying to pull. Thanks.
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February 21, 2012- I checked out your site and I think your advice is great! I especially liked the comment about pictures in ads...of kids on the horses (or someone standing on the horse, or the horse in the river). I have several pictures of my grand daughter from the past few years (she is now age 6 on various horses)...most pics were taken in a round pen..makes the horses look like they would be great for a beginner, yet I would never put a beginner on any of the horses in the pictures outside the round pen. And I was a much better rider when I was a kid than I am now, so to say a horse is kid broke is not very impressive to me at all...often the kids you see riding a horse at an auction have spent many many hours riding, and the horse they are on may not be at all kid broke for a beginner kid. I hope lots of folks will check out your site before they buy a horse!
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December 1, 2011- Thank you very much for this website. I found it very informative and interesting. I had an experience about a month ago with a horse trader and I wondered how I might warn people, but at the same time most of his horses did seem well cared for. The horse I was looking at was advertised on Craigslist and seemed perfect. I know, if it seems too good to be true... After finding out the horse was still available I took off of work and drove two hours to go look at him. What I saw when I got there was nothing like what was pictured in the ad. He claimed this horse came from a rescue situation. It had obviously been starved. I am sure he was feeding it well, he had good hay out for his other horses. But the horse looked awful, ribs sticking out and a huge belly. He offered to let me ride it, and I informed him that I would never ride a horse in that condition. He offered to show me others, but it was quickly obvious to me he was just a horse trader. In fact, he conducts horse auctions at his place. I was not happy about my four hour journey based on his false claims, and I told him he should warn people before they drive all that way that the horse is not healthy. His reply was, "but the horse is healthy"! He is a frequent advertiser on Craiglist in North XXXXX, and I recognize many of the red flags you mention on here in his advertisements.
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November 7, 2011- We buy and sell horses for a living, yes I guess you can say we are horse traders, but we try to be as honest as possible. We show and ride ours first and let the customer ride, anywhere they want. We have a physical address, and have for years. We give a written guarantee in a written receipt. We truly want to match horse and rider. We love horses and that's why we do what we do. I would love to have a link to your website from ours if it is o.k. with y'all. We think y'all have a lot of good sound advice and we totally agree with you, but if you don't want to be associated with us we respect that.
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June 9, 2011- I was a "horsetrader" for many years and I tried hard to put horses into the right homes. If I got fooled and took a really bad (or lame) one, I took it right back to the next sale. I bought MANY really nice horses at auctions, but I usually paid a little more than the average. Many good people with good horses just didn't have time or marketing skills to sell their horses privately, so they took them to an auction. I find the biggest problem is that the buyers can not ride very well and don't want to pay a fair price for what they need. I had to get out of the inexpensive horse market for this reason. With the price of veterinary care and feed it takes no time at all to invest $1000 in a horse. That Coggins test you write about can cost $75 per horse when you add in the farm call and is only valid for one year. Then there is shoeing and vaccinations and training.
Your site might just remind people that they shouldn't be expecting to get a legitimate, wonderful, horse of their dreams for under $2,000. It could happen, but isn't likely.
Also, if your riding skills are not pretty darned good, stay away from 80% of off the track thoroughbreds! They are sometimes great horses, but sensitive and you have no business with them! I run into many people who have been turned off of horses because of the racehorse they overfaced themselves with!
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April 28, 2011- I'm enjoying your site and reading the many stories. I purchased both my registered TWH's online. Both were shipped from the east coast to XXXXX where I live. I must tell everyone who wants to purchase a horse for the first time, do not do it yourself. These two horses were not my first and I did my homework and got exactly what I paid for and neither were inexpensive. There is no such thing as a "Bombproof", "Kid safe", "Husband Safe", no bite, no kick, no spook horse. There are, however, well trained animals that will act appropriately when handled by a trained human. If you've never owned a horse or ridden since you were a kid then lessons are first on your agenda. Afterwards, you should allow your trainer to help you purchase an animal that fits your needs. Their time will cost you but it is well worth it. I own one of the most respectful, loving, patient, easy to handle, attentive horses on the planet. I would not put an inexperienced rider, young or old, on him. And I don't care if all my horse did was put one foot in front of the other in slow motion. The horse is not the only one that needs to be trained.
Horses will bite and they will kick. Perhaps only once or twice in their lifetime but once is all it takes. I've been kicked and bitten and each time it was my fault. I have fallen and been bucked off and each time it was my fault. If you don't want that to happen then buy a four wheeler. Horses are prey animals and have the instincts of a prey animal. If you do not understand how a prey animal behaves then you must learn this before you buy or even ride.
Horses are not "big dogs". I believe in the right circumstances the family dog will bite it's owner. Your beloved horse might bite or kick you and you must be aware of this fact. Your horse might spook on the trail and you might fall off. You must be mentally prepared for the unexpected. Each horse is an individual and unless you are the one to train it from the moment it's born, then you DO NOT know that horse.
It took a few days for my first TWH to bond with me. It took almost a year for the second TWH to bond. Both horses were raised and trained differently, hence, two different horses. Both are great animals and I have many hours of riding and training invested. They are a joy to ride and a pleasure to just hang out with.
Another point I have to make is that I wouldn't put a 6 year old behind the wheel of a car. Why would anyone put a 50 lb child on a 1200 lb animal?
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February 20, 2011- Love your website. For first time buyers this is the site they shoud read. I am not a horse trader but I have sold horses. I give a two week trial period to the new owners. If the horse is not what I say he is, they can return the horse as long as it comes back in the same shape it left in and their money will be returned. I have never had a horse returned. I bought a horse from a gentlemen who let me try him for two weeks and I was so thankful the horse worked for me and my daughter. We still have Ollie. He has some years on him but is still a great horse! Thanks again for such a great website.
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January 17, 2011- I just wanted to say that this site was extremely helpful. I am about to buy a horse, and I will be sure to look for any of the signs, and perform all the necessary tests.
Thanks again.
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December 30, 2010- Great and much needed site. One of our forum members saw it and posted it on the " About Horses" site. I will further encourage the rest of our members to check it out. One other tip for anyone selling their own horse, for whatever reason, go and check out the new home before selling the horse to insure it will be taken care of properly! Again, great site, and thanks.
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November 18, 2010- I think this website has the potential to do a lot of good...it also has the potential to really mislead and scare especially first time horse buyers. I think with some work you'll have a good resource. I am proud to be a horse trader...proud of EACH and EVERY horse I sell. But I know that I am one of the few. You are correct. I don't care if a horse is a good match for a person or not. BUT...I put EVERYBODY on my own kid safe horse first and if I don't think they can handle the horse they are looking at...I tell them as such and DO NOT let them ride it...if they STILL choose to buy the horse, that is on them and my Bill of Sale will contain a disclosure stating that I have recommended they seek professional training. You should REALLY add a section about how to know you are ready for a horse. A lot of people that come out to see my horses couldn't put a halter on if their life depended on it. They have no idea about basic handling, no idea how to lead a horse, pick feet, about health care, etc. Honestly, they do just fine...they learn. You should also have a section about how to tell a reputable horse trader from one who is not..because really, we are not ALL bad. One bad apple can ruin it for 9 good ones though.
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November 18, 2010- I like your website! I, too, have been scammed. I was 12 years old and after riding bucking ponies for 2 years I was finally allowed to buy my own horse. We bought a sweet, quiet 5 year old mare at the auction nearby. The seller said she was good with young riders and had been in used in trail lots. What I brought home was a spooky, 3 year old mare who would not canter without fear for another 6 years. I bought a mare who was so herd-bound she almost killed me a month after I bought her. I still own her. I can't sell her. She's better now but she's never going to be the solid, well-broke trail horse I wanted. I went from bucking ponies to bucking horses. I hope your site helps somebody not make the mistake.
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November 12, 2010- First of all, THANK YOU for this website. It gives a lot of great info for inexperienced people looking to buy a horse. It's wonderfully set up and I love the horror stories.
Second, I buy all my horses from auction to rescue them. I retrain them, then resell them. I guess you could say I'm a horse trader but I think of it more as a rescue. I do not falsely advertise my horses. And they're priced so cheap so they will sell quickly so I can buy more horses and help as many as possible. Just my two cents though :) Love the website and think it was very needed!
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November 9, 2010- Delighted to find this site! Yes, I made a lot of the mistakes you mentioned, several years ago. I will read over your comments in detail-----thank you for sharing!!
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November 9, 2010- You are full of sh*t. If it wasn't for the traders, there would be no sales or any outlet for the average person to get rid of their junk that was guaranteed to them by the "farmer" or neighbor that they bought their horse from. Just wanted to give you my opinion. I sell quite a few horses. I get alot of nice horses out of sales. Have not had much luck by buying from individuals. As far as selling a bomb proof horse, I would never do that. In my opinion, there is virtually "no" horse that is bomb proof. Especially when you sell to an idiot that thinks they are a horseman.
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November 9, 2010- What a great site! I've been writing for months, trying to get the same message across in my blog and even wrote my third book aimed specifically at the folks most likely to wind up over-horsed and under-educated in the ways of the horse world. It's wonderful to hear another voice shouting in the fog. I laughed out loud (really...not just "LOL") at the message from the person who HATES you and your blog and the horse you rode in on. I've been accused of being pro-slaughter, so you're in good company. I shared this site. Thanks!
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November 8, 2010- I cannot tell you how relieved I am to see a sight like yours!!!! I am a horse trainer and my "thing" is trying to help unwary buyers salvage the mess they get into by buying a horse " they fell in love with," but have no idea how to deal with after the horse turns out to be unruly. Sometimes it's the horse, sometimes it's the handler. I try to help figure it out. The one I get chills from is when someone tells me they bought a young horse to grow with,and don't have a clue what it takes to raise a 1200 pound youngster. And shame on the breeder that doesn't advise them otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I usually would rather someone buy from a breeder. They know their product. Just be honest! Unfortunately, I get the calls after the fact for help. Mostly I try to match horses to owners. They are too expensive to be lawn ornaments.
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November 8, 2010- Good for you for putting together this website. Now, let's see if you can get it more visible, so more people can take advantage of it! Contrary to what the person in your first comment said, I am a horseperson, I have had horses most of my life, I am very competent with OTTB's, but...when it came to a pony for my kids, to replace our perfect, beloved pony that we lost, I got completely taken for a ride!!! I totally made an emotional purchase, and did not allow myself to consider that a fellow horseperson might be dishonest. But turns out, the woman totally fit your profile of a horse trader! The history (or lack thereof) totally fit. On top of that, as we were loading her into the trailer (this pony that allegedly loaded great, but would not get into the trailer) the woman mentioned "Oh, by the way, this winter she was in a field with a stallion, so she might be pregnant, and if she is, the foal comes back to me."
The pony is a roarer, has back pain, and bit my 2 year old in the chin almost immediately. It is sad, but almost FUNNY, how badly I was taken for a ride with this pony purchase!!!
Thank you for providing this source of info, even for those of us who are no strangers to horses.
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November 7, 2010- I just read all your "Reader Comments".....and I too think this is a wonderful site! Keep up the good work! I would LOVE to know WHO the IDIOT is that wrote the first email, posted on November 4th. You have stated many, many times in this site that this stuff is not the works of ALL HORSE TRADERS....so what IS the problem with this IDIOT???? This idiot MUST be one of the GUILTY ONES, or he/she would not be soooo irate! Just reading what the idiot wrote made me 100% SURE this is the very same work that this idiot puts out!!!! Kinda' ruffled that idiot's feathers....huh!!!???? Ha Ha Ha Ha
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November 7, 2010- I found your site by accident and think you people are doing the right thing. I own a horse operation in xxxxxxxx and we train and sell horses to the public. I know that dealing with people that have no idea about animals is different, but if you deal honestly, you will have no problems. My advice for anyone buying a horse in today's market is GET IT IN WRITING, and ask for references from people that have bought horses from the party before. Do your homework; if there is any doubt in your mind about the deal then it is not a good deal. I have read all the horror stories listed and feel for the people involved. Keep up the good work, because traders that are dishonest only make it harder on the ones that are honest. Remember the days of a hand shake and verbal agreement are in the past: GET IT IN WRITING.
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November 7, 2010- Anyone with any scruples should not take offense to your site. You are providing a great service to the naive or innocent horse lover. Even a seasoned enthusiast can walk away better equipped to make a satisfying purchase. The bottom line is keep your eyes open and know what you're getting into before you find out the hard way. You are offering sound advice to those who seek it.
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November 6, 2010- I think your site is so valuable in so many ways. It is such a useful tool in today's society to decide what is right for you, and what to look for if you are not an experienced horse owner. I am grateful for the information, and have learned a lot by reading this site, and plan to use much of that information for my next horse purchase. The "pity" purchase tugs at your heart, we all want to help animals, but we have to decide if we are able to take that type of project on. I am so respectful of the way "Jade" handled her emaciated, pregnant mare. She learned a lot but also amongst the pain found great love and a feeling of joy from that horse that she never would have experienced with her prior trader owners. Thank you for keeping this site updated, relevant, and balanced. I also admire the fact that your integrity level is high enough that you publish the angry comments from people that seem to be coming from a completely different viewpoint, not one of helping horses and people, but of defending themselves and placing any blame to be had on the purchaser at all times. Hmmm. Doth those protest too much? THAT in itself if a RED FLAG.
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November 6, 2010- This is a wonderful website for anyone that is thinking of getting a horse. I, too, have had a couple run-ins with dishonest traders, and it is so disheartening that certain individuals will disregard the SAFETY of others (especially children) just to earn a dollar- dishonest horse traders are the 'used-car salesmen' of the horse industry, and the bad ones ruin it for the good ones. Thank you for putting together all of this information, HTT!
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November 5, 2010- Great website, and coincidentally, it was listed just a few postings down from a horse trader on my local Craigslist who always has 'beginer safe gated horses' advertised (the bad spelling is theirs). This is a valuable website and I enjoyed - and cringed at - the horse trader horror stories, as I have known many people who've been taken by the good old boy down the road who swore his horses were safe enough for Grandma and the young'uns to ride. The bad horse trader is a devious creature and I am glad to see a website devoted to unmasking him!
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November 5, 2010- I can only imagine THE PEOPLE WHO USE ALL CAPS HATE YOU. Must be the very dishonest traders you are exposing. An honest trader wouldn't take offense because this site would not apply to them. Keep up the good work. With so many cheap horses out there, too many inexperienced people are getting a horse for the first time with no clue how the world is. I agree that a list of typical horse expenses would be good to inform well meaning people.
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November 4, 2010- This site HAS to be something put together by people that know NOTHING about horses that went out and bought a horse they knew NOTHING about in the first place!!! That is the trouble with the horse industry these days!! There are too many people that dont know JACK SQUAT about whether a horse is a good horse for its breed or not AND HOW TO RIDE. They just WANT A HORSE......not just ANY horse....they want the PERFECT HORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!! It doesnt exist!!!! DON'T LABEL EVERYONE THAT IS SELLING A HORSE AS DISHONEST!!!!!! Personally, I HATE YOUR SITE!!!!! It only allows those that know NOTHING about horses to come to someones house and start asking questions like they DO know something. If they truly know anything about horses at all, they will be able to tell a good horse when they see one. (Or, they should take someone with them that DOES know good horses).
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November 4, 2010- I think this is a very valuable site. I really liked what the vet had to say about the expense of properly caring for a horse. You might consider making a table or chart with some common expenses of owning a horse. Many people are always out to get a sale or great deal but they need to realize that the purchase price is usually a fraction of what is needed to properly care for any animal. I think it would really help people who have never owned horses to be realistic in their purchase. Thanks again and don't let anyone threaten to sue you or any other silly nonsense, this is the best thing that could happen to the honest horse trading business!
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November 4, 2010- I just wanted to tell you great website. I am so glad someone is putting together all the way dealers try to scam people. I have had some bad experiences. I commend you guys for doing this.
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November 3, 2010- I am glad this site is available. I wish you could list the information that others have given you and not XXXXXX out anything, we as buyers need all the available information we can get. Maybe we all should open a members only paid site to have private discussions on horse trades and whether or not the person(s) we are dealing with are in fact an honest seller or just a lying horse trader! I hope to see more added to this site, I have spent hours reading it tonight! There is some really good advice on here. I see this site as the start of something BIG and I am glad it is here. Horse Traders Beware, WE HAVE KNOWLEDGE AND KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!!!
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November 3, 2010- Awesome site! You guys really are doing a good job informing the public in general. I know there are a lot of people selling horses right now and are desperate to get rid of them so they may stretch the facts "a bit." Keep up the work and I hope that people can learn from this site and use the knowledge to find the right horse for them.
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November 2, 2010- Thank you so much for your site! I found it through Craigslist, as I was browsing. Shocked by the number of "dead broke kid horses" listed! I, too, have had a dealer sell a bad horse; thankfully with literally years of work it was a salvageable situation. How I wish this site was available then! Thanks again for this; what a life saver.
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November 1, 2010- Hello! I want to thank you so much for posting this site on Craigslist -- I hope you will post it far and wide. As a long-time dressage rider, teacher, and adult amateur -- and someone who has been burned bad by unscrupulous horse sellers, I wanted to add my thoughts. 1. Realize that buying a "cheap" horse is no savings in the long run. 2. Realize that MOST horses on the market at any price are not suitable for absolute beginners or children. Reliable children's horses or ponies are VERY expensive, for a good reason -- their history and behavior can be documented over years. Realize that MOST horses who end up with traders/at auction landed there because they have major behavior problems and are unsound in serious ways. SOME of these horses can be fixed with professional training and suitable veterinary care, but not all. 3. If you are looking for an inexpensive horse for general riding, why not adopt a horse from a reputable agency? These horses have been fostered and evaluated by professionals who donate their time, and they will accept the horse back if not suitable. They will also conduct a full assessment of you and your facility before agreeing to let you adopt. 4. ABSOLUTELY have a horse checked by a vet before you buy AND obtain the previous owner's vet records. Most behavior problems come from unsoundness (a horse in pain will buck, bolt, kick). A vet can also generally evaluate a horse's behavior, and advise about its suitability for you. That's my two cents for today! GREAT site!
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October 31, 2010- Thank you for this website, I just wish I would have seen it sooner. I have been taken by a trader as well and as I read through your stories, I just see all the mistakes I made, unfortunately, after the fact. I will keep your contract, because I have three horses I need to sell and I will hand this to anyone who buys my horses so they know that I am in fact an honest seller. It's a shame that people do this, and I am still sick to this day because I do not know where my mare went or if she is dead or what have you. Thank you again, and keep up the awesome work!
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October 30, 2010- This is one of the most interesting sites that I have found. Maybe this will help keep some of these horse traders and wannabees straight. I know how disturbing and dangerous some of these horses can be, when you do not know the whole story on them. It is not the horses' fault, the human is to blame.
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October 30, 2010- I am offended at your "LIES" Not every "horse trader" fits the crap you portray on your site. I do buy many horses from sales. And I have found the horses I buy from horse sales are more honestly represented than the ones I buy from individual owners. Horse traders do not FORCE anyone to buy their horses. People should try the horse out thoroughly before deciding to buy. If you really want to do some good, don't tell people to steer away from the scary "traders". You should educate people on how buy a horse, FROM ANYONE, that will fit their needs. They should "BEWARE" of all people selling horses, NOT JUST TRADERS. I am an honest trader and I sure don't want you to scare anyone away from buying a horse I represent. You better be careful with this Website, or you may find yourself in a lawsuit.
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October 30, 2010- This is a great web site. I just checked it out and am now sending it to some friends. It is long over due. Good job! I think it is outstanding. I just read your profile for a horse trader and it fits it to a T. I have had horses all my life and thought I knew it all, but I got screwed several times by local dealers. Then I tried to make it my business to know who they are and, yes indeed. As you say, they work together, have an answer for everything, buy at the auction, resell for profit with a made up history on the horse, etc, etc, etc. Anyway, long story short, you buy into their story, bring the horse home and than wonder where the ding-a-ling that is standing in your stall came from. That after the bute and sedatives have worn off. Of course, when you contact the former dealer they tell you it is something you are doing because that horse NEVER acted like that at their place. I am so happy to see such an educational website installed. You guys rock!
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October 30, 2010- THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING A VOICE FOR THESE ANIMALS!!!!! Our family was a victim of a horse trader in xxxxxx, Ohio. I was big into horses all the way into my early 20's, then life happened and I just recently got back into them at the age of 46. I would so love to see all the horse flippers out there go down. How horrible to make a living on these innocent animals. What can I do to help? Thank you so much again.
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October 30, 2010- Great site!! It's true!!I was duped by a riding stable!!! I used to ride and was looking for a good broke pony/horse for myself- I put a deposit on a horse to hold her and when I went to get her- they didn't have time to ride this "child safe" lesson horse. They did send me pictures of her being ridden. I have been hurt on this horse, and so much for my confidence building. She is 26 and still has some punch!! I had been hurt years ago and thought a good, broke horse would help me get back going again. Not! NEVER put a deposit down on a horse over the Internet , and always see it ridden first. The horse is now out in the pasture being an ornament. I emailed the previous owner and they said the mare never did that with them- sure.. So, now I am stuck with an intermediate/advanced horse for a scared-to-death rider. Thanks for the info on this site. People can be so mean nowadays, and you have to really learn how to read people.
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October 30, 2010- I am glad to see your efforts to let people know that there are people out there that are only buying and selling horses for one purpose and one purpose only, and that is to make as much money as possible with no concern for the people they can buy or sell to or the horse. Horse traders will do whatever it takes to scam innocent people to make a dollar and will even take a big trailer up to Canada with many of our beautiful horses on it to make a quick buck. People who need to sell their horse need to be aware of this and need to make some type of contract to ensure this does not happen. Maybe the contract can state that the horse cannot be re-sold for at least a year and that the seller has the right to see the horse at any time in the first year. I am not a lawyer so I really don't know how you can do it, but hopefully there is a good lawyer out there who cares about horses, that can give some advice to the rest of the good horse-loving people.
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October 30, 2010- It's about time someone put up a website about these people. I had a run-in with a horse trader a while ago. When I got to the trader's, she already had the horse tied up waiting in the barn. I at first thought nothing of it. I liked the horse so I bought it. It wasn't 2 days later I found out why this horse was already tied up waiting in the barn that day. The horse attacks people when you try to put a halter on it while catching it out of the pasture. I learned that the hard way. I demanded she take the horse back, so we swapped out for a another horse at the property. Another mistake. The horse I got in trade reared violently when you tried to put the saddle on. At the traders he stood for a saddle. If only I knew about a website like this one before I went to look at horses. Thank you for the website info.
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October 30, 2010- I read thru this entire site-I am that middle-aged woman who used to ride and has gotten back into horses. I have learned the hard way just like your examples. It is hard to accept that people will boldly lie and put our safety, and lives at risk to make a few dollars, but they will. It has been a couple of years, and a few thousand dollars lost, but I finally found an imperfect horse that is perfect for me. He was not from a horse trader or broker, just a middle-aged woman like myself. There are honest brokers out there-but Internet research reveals them easily. Someone who won't offer a trial period either does not care about their horse or is desperate-either way, stay away. I will pass this site on to anyone searching for a horse so hopefully they can avoid all my mistakes. Thank you.
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October 26, 2010- This is a well needed site. We sell horses, well broke trail horses, and we have done this for a few years and have sold a lot of them. All of them come with a thirty day money back contract, as long as the horse is not lame or been starved- no questions asked. The horse is what we tell you it is. You have to "fit the horse to the rider." We have not had a horse come back to us yet and we have a lot of referrals to us. A kid-broke horse is almost unheard of; we have got a few but they never stay long. That's what most people want. And we have also got taken by the trader lies. They will give drugs to make them sound or to calm them down so they don't buck (til you get them home) etc,etc.
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October 26, 2010- Thank you so much for this site. Although I have bought and sold many horses for years now, I NEVER could understand how a true horse trader can sleep at night. I too counsel folks free of charge about buying their first horse or kid horse, but am not computer savvy enough to produce a site such as yours. Please do NOT give up..keep the word going and you will not only save human lives, but horses as well. For every human that gets the right horse, another horse is hopefully safe from such cruel circumstances they can end up in.
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October 25, 2010- Over the years with owning horses I cannot begin to tell you how many times we were taken. People are in the business to make a buck and not consider how they might end up getting someone hurt by selling them a messed up horse! My suggestion would be in trying to find individuals or even breeders who represent the opposite extreme of horse traders. These would be people that have a history of satisfied customers who sell quality animals and keep their word. Those individuals would get more sales by people looking at your web site. They are out there....finding them is a huge task.....your web site is great. Thank you for doing this....
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October 25, 2010- Kudos to you on this great website! And that you've posted it on Craigslist is wonderful. Us horse crazy people, whether experienced or novice, can always use a little reminder about sound purchasing practices. I've been taken a time or two myself, and identify with the "Pickle Eater" owner quite well; my "pickle eater" turned out to be approx 31, not 15. But, he was well loved & is sorely missed. Keep up the good work!
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October 24, 2010- I think your site is very informative & needed in this day & age. Thanks!
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October 18, 2010- I am so glad I found your site on Craigslist. I have been looking for a horse for 6 months and I guess I will be looking a lot longer and follow the steps in finding an honest horse trader. Thanks
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October 18, 2010- Great web site! Much needed information. Is there any chance you will be starting a message board or forum where people can come together and discuss this topic? I think it would be great to be able to connect with others that have gone through similar things and "compare notes". Keep up the good work!
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October 18, 2010- I think this is great. I am a large breeder of xxxxxx. Often I use the Internet as a tool for advertising on lots of popular sites and often I see the BOMBPROOF & KID SAFE ads. In my opinion no such horse exists. After all, they are livestock and unpredictable! People also should know that there are reliable and dependable people who buy, sell & raise good horses and sell them with good intent for the new owners. This will be a unique site that is needed. Also let the public know that reliable large breeders and brokers are not all crooks. Thanks, and I look forward to this site! Have a great day.
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October 18, 2010- Thank you for making this web site. I have not once, but twice, been taken by horse dealers; even someone that was a person that knew of my problems. I hope that you can help all us back yard horse owners. I wish that people would understand our love of horses. And the fact that we don't want to be ripped off, we want to be SAFE. Thank you.
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October 17, 2010- Thank you for putting out such a simple, informative, and necessary website. I can't stop reading.
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October 17, 2010- I saw the listing for your website on my local Craigslist. I have owned horses for over 25 years and have heard of many of the tricks you mentioned, but you also listed many that I had not heard of. I am very impressed with your website and think you are doing a great service. I think mention of what is truly needed to properly care for a horse and the approximate cost would be a good thing to add. Also I would urge folks to take lessons and learn the basics before making a purchase. Leasing might also be a good option. Thanks again and keep up the good work!!!!
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October 16, 2010- You should post your website address on billboards. I am a trainer and horse owner by trade and I have seen hundreds of horror stories just like the ones posted on your site....Thank god for your site; maybe real horsemen will stand a chance in the world and keep great horses going to great homes.
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October 15, 2010- This is a very nice website to warn people about horse traders. I recently just bought a OTTB from some guy that needed to sell her because his daughter wouldn't ride it. Well this horse was already tacked up & sweaty before we got her. I got on her, & she was of course easy to ride. It takes a lot to make this horse easy to ride. She is NOT a kid's horse, that's for sure. I still have her. Just wanted to let everyone know that there are horse traders out there, which is sad :/
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October 15, 2010- I have been lucky and trust my gut and never go to a breeder or trader. But I have friends that have and yes they have been screwed royally. I know of at least 2 horse traders in western xxxxxx and both are not good.I always have advised people to steer clear of dealers. I am so glad you have started this site.
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October 15, 2010- I only wish a site like this was easier for people to find. I am a horse trainer and also give lessons. I cannot tell you how many people call me asking if I will come show them why the horse that did everything for the previous owner, won't even come to them.
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October 15, 2010- The site is great and you're doing a world of good! I've been a horse lover and rider all my life and I have recently considered buying a horse for my daughter. All the information you provide is soooo helpful.
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October 15, 2010- I wish you guys luck with your site. You need to get on facebook and myspace so that more people will know about you. I owned a large boarding facility in xxxxxx, gave lessons and trained horses. The horse industry is 80% crooked. I would take my students to look at horses and couldn't believe some of the stunts people would pull. They were worse than used car salesmen by far. There is nothing worse than someone whom doesn't care if a child gets hurt or gets her heart broken. That goes for the high dollar horses, too. Good luck and great Idea!
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October 15, 2010- This is a good website, I agree with many comments here, it's not just the traders, and not all traders are dishonest. The buyer does have a lot of responsibility to make sure they are getting the right horse. And I don't agree that everyone selling a horse will look you in the eye and lie. I do agree that a lot of people misrepresent a horse because they do not see the horse as he really is. That is not lying. Sometimes a horse actually is different for different handlers, and a seller can not control how the horse will do for every person who may handle the horse after he is sold. It's a hard thing to get the perfect horse, no matter what you do. But it's best to get some knowledge before you go out to look. And if you can't afford those $2500 horses, you can still find a nice horse. You just have to be careful and take your time, ask a lot of questions and look more than once. And don't be fooled: you may pay $2500 or more for the wrong horse, price doesn't make up for the work you need to put into your search. And buyers need to be prepared to handle and ride the horse with knowledge and respect. Many horses are sold to people that say they will give them a "good home" only to end up being abused in many ways other than not getting food and water. Thank you for making this site available.
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October 15, 2010- First of all, amazing website. It is just great. It is WAY too common for people to buy a horse thinking it is perfect or thinking they will be able to train it..only for the horse to be sold a couple years later after being ruined even more. I was also thinking it would be a great idea for you to add a page that has names of proven-to-be-bad traders..and another one for good traders. I have dealt with both, and I think the good traders deserve to be named also. Thank you!
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October 15, 2010- There are as many "bad" horse traders as there are horses to be traded. Great site!
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October 11, 2010- Great site! I think you should draw up a "honest buyers contract" also. How many people have you met that never tell how it really is when purchasing a horse? I like to know where my horses are going, what the conditions are for them and who the vet/farrier is. Stuff like that.
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October 11, 2010- pretty cool of y'all to do that site...a lot of newbies out there who will benefit from it...
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October 10, 2010- I think one of the thing consistently missing on your web site is (often) "you get what you pay for" - I'm not saying ANYONE deserves to be swindled by a horse trader, but even in your own descriptions you mention horses being offered for less than $2000 as a flag and victims as people looking for horses for less than $2000 (in the profile section). People looking for Good Broke horses need to expect to pay good money - even in this "bad horse economy"! I have two horses that would be GREAT for people like the ones in these stories, but I want $2500 and no one wants to give them a look. You are doing a great service, but the reality of it boils down to common sense. If you are looking for a 4H horse, call any 4H leader! If you are looking for a horse to take in "A" shows, call a training stable that goes to those kinds of shows. Get pre purchase vet exams. Get promises in writing. Don't make impulse buys. Thanks!
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October 10, 2010- Thank you so much for creating this site! Your work to educate people about this is invaluable!
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October 10, 2010- Just some input; thanks for doing this, love what you're doing. I myself have been burned (craigslist) but I went ahead and bought them anyways just so they could retire on my farm..no horse is a bad horse, they have had bad treatment. It`s the crooked people out there that`s the problem. Keep up the good work and keep us updated...
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October 9, 2010- I am in the market for a gelding and because I cruise Craigslist daily, I happened on your ad directing me to your website. I cannot begin to thank you enough for the valuable information you have posted here! My heart goes out to the unfortunate ones who had to suffer through expensive lessons because of unscrupulous horse traders. I really appreciate your time and sacrifice to make this website available. Thanks again.
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October 8, 2010- Your site is great and will hopefully be beneficial to many people undergoing the process of finding their "perfect horse". However, make sure the prospective buyers have no unreasonable expectations about " life after a sale". I am a horse lover and currently own twelve horses of my own. I may breed a couple each year or may not. I sometimes sell a baby or a horse and I can assure you that a purchaser's time to vet check or trainer check is BEFORE the horse leaves my house. Once that horse is gone.....it is yours!! This is because I have no control over what happens to that horse AFTER he leaves my house. I do not believe a person should purchase a horse until he or she is completely satisfied, but a horse is a prey animal.....they may also not act the same at the new home as they did at my home....their security level may be compromised and you cannot hold sellers responsible for a "flight" animal's instincts. Purchasers should be aware of this responsibility and be both patient and cautious of animal reactions. Most dependable or well trained horses will resume their original behaviors if they gain confidence in both their environment and also their handler. However also be aware that if a horse has no reason to respect it's new owner....they may have a shift in personality.Thank you again for the preparation of your site as it will benefit many....especially the novice horse owners / buyers.
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October 7, 2010- Thanks so much for your site. . . I live in xxxxx and we have a huge problem with horse traders here. I work in a mounted patrol unit where we are required to provide our own horses. I have been on the hunt for a decent MP horse for several months and have been through MANY ads and ridden over 20 horses. On occasion I have driven for several hours and not even gotten out of the truck when I arrived! I have (in my 35 years of horse ownership) only met one honest horse trader. She has allowed me to take several horses on trial and through our MP testing and (for a small fee-like a lease) will allow anyone a 14 day trial period. I have not bought any of her horses, but feel like I can trust her. I have also dealt with the conning/crooked/cruel horse traders as well. Best advice I can give is SHOW UP EARLY. WAY early! Like the woman in the Trader Horror stories. I have saved myself many heartaches with this tip. Even backyard horse owners can use the "wear 'em out and wash 'em up" technique. I once showed up a day early to find the horse I was going to look at having joint injections performed! There are great horses out there whose owners have fallen into a situation where the horse needs rehoming. Ask to see pics of all the things the horse has done. Especially kids horses. If this horse has been in the family and the kids have been riding it, an honest seller will be happy to show pics all day long! Best of luck and keep up the good work!
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October 6, 2010- Your intentions are admirable, however having been in the horse business for 50 yrs., I doubt it will help much. Buying a horse for the unwary is an emotional event, rational thought is seldom used. The best advice I would give, is buyer beware,and not just horse traders, almost any person with a horse will look you in the eye and lie like a dog, often because they see the horse different from the way it really is. Horse trading is one of the oldest professions on earth, and about as honorable as the oldest profession. Honor among horse traders is as rare as virtue among prostitutes. It's a game among traders to see who can put a nag off on another trader or un-wary buyer.
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October 6, 2010- That is a great site. We have had horses, done shows, stood stallions and trained both horses and people. We have experienced a lot. Your site is very good for the new horse buyer. I do wish that you would elaborate a little more on the responsibility of the person looking for a horse. It has been my experience in a lot of cases the buyer has very little if any experience riding or caring for a horse; from feeding to medical needs etc., the riding part is important when trying out a horse. A real broke horse can unseat a person just turning around. I take special care when allowing people to try out my horses, due to lawsuits these days. I always start out in the round pen due to the fact that so many people say they know how to ride. It gives me a chance to see for myself in a safe place. If they want to ride outside the pen and I feel they have the ability, I then have no problem. Safety is first even above feelings. Good idea you have to help people.
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October 6, 2010- It is my understanding that each state sets the time frame for how long a Coggins is good for. Also please note that a Coggins only shows the horse's antibody status on the day the test was done....if he was exposed to EIA the next day or several days/weeks prior to testing his test won't show him to be positive although he might well be. Suggest a buyer require a new Coggins or at least one within the last several months during the winter (biting insects being less of a problem then so less chance of exposure). Another note....many western states require a brand inspection to be done with the change of ownership (even if the horse has no brand on him) and in some states it is the ONLY legal proof of ownership. In NV for instance not only is it proof of ownership but must accompany the horse if transported from one region of the state to another (state is divided into several regions).
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October 5, 2010- Although I am no longer in the market for a horse, I know of many people who are. Your website is AWESOME and I just wanted to thank you for it...I saw it posted on our local CraigsList (Maine). Would you mind if I posted a link to it on my personal website? I don't sell anything, merely showcase my pets to friends and family and anyone else who might stumble upon it. Right now I have links to some local horse rescues as well as local-made goodies. With your permission, I would love to list this site as well.
Thank you so much for doing what you did with this website.
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October 4, 2010- I want to thank you for letting someone like me know the dangers of these dishonest people. I really don't know anything about horses and I'm trying to find one for my daughter in xxxxxxxxx.
Thanks again!
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October 3, 2010- WOW. I just read about half your website, I will read the rest tomorrow. I think it’s FANTASTIC. You guys are doing this out of the goodness of your hearts to help people, which is of itself nowadays pretty incredible. I think it’s easy to read, easy to understand, well written, answers probably most questions anyone would have and I can’t wait to read the rest.
Thanks you guys, whoever thought of your project, you are doing a great service.
Officer xxxx xxxx
Animal Control-Humane Officer
xxxxx xxxxx Animal Shelter
I have 18 yrs experience on the job, but am a NEW and very much still learning horse owner. And, a victimized one.
Thanks again.
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October 3, 2010- Hi. It is about time someone made up a website to expose the horse traders.
I hope this site is passed on to every state. This state I am in is nothing but horse traders and the boarding stables are no better. It is unreal how these horrid people lie to innocent humans and prey on them. My heart goes out to all the horses that are ruined by mankind.
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October 3, 2010- I am a small time horse buyer, trainer, seller. I love your website and I would like permission to add a link to your website on my horse ads. Its about time a website like this shows up. Thanks for posting it on craigslist and keep up the good work.
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October 3, 2010- I read through your website and wanted to tell you that I think this is much needed information for those of us that plan to purchase horses or have in the past. You gave some extremely eye-opening examples of the pitfalls and mistakes made when purchasing a horse.Luckily, I had the opportunity to have use of the mustang I purchased for about six months prior to purchasing, so I knew when I was told she was "bomb proof" she was in fact, "Bombproof". I wish everyone would be able to "test own" horses they are interested in purchasing, but, since we don't, your site appears to be the next best thing. Thank you for the service you are providing. In the future should I purchase another horse, I will be armed with tips and advice..and horror stories, rather than being armed with "my heart on my sleeve."
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October 3, 2010- Hello, i am a horse trainer out west of xxxxx xxxx, ok I have looked at your site and I'm really impressed. I have to deal with the problems the traders cause all the time. I am so glad to see someone finally taking time to help educate the new horse owner. I am always brought in after they have purchased from one of the traders. Then i tell them most of the same stuff you are and i hear the same stories over and over. If you need any help i am more than willing. keep up the good work.
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September 29, 2010- Well, I know the one about "Broke as the horse at Wal-mart." There's a guy in xxxxxx that uses that one. The things people say to sell a horse! I think this is a great website and will help a lot of people...it is a great place, keep up the good work! I'm happy to say that when I was younger, my dad bought and sold horses for a living. He was very good, but never once did I see him be dishonest. If the horse was not right, he would let them try as many as they wanted and did give them a written money-back guarantee. It is a shame that it has come to dishonest people preying on innocent people. And most of all children that just want to know the joys of having and owning a horse to love, and to give it a great, loving home.
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September 29, 2010- Great job! Don't let them get away with it!
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September 29, 2010- So glad someone's doing this! Wish this site had been up a year ago...
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